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Subject: Here is why this film is'nt entirely considered propaganda
To any one who would consider this film a piece of propaganda, I would respectfully ask you to read about, The Wöbbelin concentration/death camp, near the city of Ludwigslust Germany.
review deleted as it was in bad taste.
who has made music in intro?
Dr Feel Rotten -
Subject: Like it or not this is happening again
The right wing parties are the next version of the Nazi’s who use nationalism and hatred of "immigrants" and anyone they don't
like. Sarah Palin anyone?
Subject: Cool Movie--When Viewed In Context
This movie would do a good job of making a high-school-age American enlisted man (who hadn't seen combat) very suspicious of the postwar Germans.
That naive kid would have every reason to be suspicious. Germany was dirt poor immediately postwar--and the young GI would be quite the target for exploitation.
But after that young kid meets that special German girl . . .. Oh, it's all over then.
Subject: here is germany
this is a nice download for a not-so-nice movie. sure, nazis weren't nice people, but it doesn't mean that just because most germans whose family members were nazis they are instinctively evil. i mean, there were the red faction army in the 70s and 80s, but did they create a major war after world war 2? no. nowadays, it seems that many ex-nazis are sorry for what they believed and their younger relatives are studying their dark past.
another thing, it is obvious that the american army at that time were twisting german history-- in an unflattering way. i've noticed that some of its "reenactment" scenes were actually taken from german movies (namely "kolberg") and germany's war history according to them sounds (and probably is) senseless. in the end, it was not only the germans who the americans blame for distorting the truth and manipulating its people, but also it was the americans who unethically control its soldiers. but for that reason, it must be watched. they must see this by eveyone because they must also know the other face of history's protagonists.
Subject: Take the time for a little history!
Most of the reviewers have either not viewed this film or have no idea what it was. It was propaganda "with that word used in a neutral sense." It was also wartime (not post war) propaganda, by the noted Frank Capra, who did other such films, e.g. "Why We Fight."
"Wartime" means it was done before the end of the war. Most of the film would be documentary footage, some of it by Germans or their allies. There was very little getting Americans riled over Japan after Pearl Harbor. American soldiers were not overly motivated to kill Germans, get invovled in a European War. Many had German roots. The North African invasion embittered American troops and gave them an enemy as did the KIAs with the home front..
Wartime also meant that there was no ready footage of atrocities not yet widely known,
Some of the comments border on stupid ignorance. No Anti-Semitism at the time? The post-war fim Gentlemen's agreement depicted American double standards, precluding Jews from many hoels. In m Home city and where I live now there are (what were) Jewish Country Clubs because of exclusion from Gentiles-only facilities. Housing covenants excluded Jews from many neighborhoods. One of the objections to some late 40s, early 50s television reflected to some degree the involvement of Jews in entertainment. But there was also Jewish theater because of exclusion ary policies. The ADL was fonded after the lynching of Jewish man in Georgia.
Molly Godberb was funny in the 40s, but how interesting the reference to 50s television. That in part was because the "network" either needed to be live or filmed. Sound recording wored for radio. In television, it was the kinoscope, look it up. As television spread more widely, the picture started to change. Not that there were no Jews in entertainment.
The difference here is someone who was born during the Roosevelt period can remember all of this. Along with bombings of synagogues in the South. Perhaps you needed to be ther.e
And blacks. The film painted a picture of equality for all, when it did not exist. Some of the fire for civil rights came from veterans who had fought as men but treated at home as "boys" no matter what their accomplishments.
AS propanganda, there was clearly an airbrurshing of our own faults, presenting an America as seen by many Americans, not the reality of others
As for Hingerty, He's a Holocaust denier, which in itself establishes him as a hate monger. "The criminal: state of Israel? The United States should talk after 8 years of Bush war and indiscriminate torture. Rendition? Our criminal class modeled their programs on the Nazi "Nacht und Nabel," people taken in the night who disappeared without a trace, enemiesof the state or offenders of some petty Nazi.
If someone's father went to Dachau when it was a DP camp, that's because after we released (and more) the inmates, the Americans used as a DP camp - DP refers the the tends of thousands of stateless refugees left in the wake of the Gernan war and murder machine.
Dachau was not a death camp, but thousands upon thousandx died there, from starvation, typhoid, gunfire, etc. It was the only camp that ran from 1933-1945 and its use from the beginning was for poltiical opponents. . The leaders of the Social Democratic Party had to go into exile after Hitler took over after many were murdered. . The SPD was too democratic and too modern for Nazi taste. Communists were imprisoned and killed, or just killed. Typhod in the campas? Of course, but what was the death rate among the German guards and staff. None or next to it. Germans (odd use since the Jews had once been Germans) only died of prison diseases when they themselves were placed in similar circumstances.
If you pushed a newspaper that was critical, you might get a warning(much as Bush threaten news organizations) or you'd be on your way to Dachau. It was a camp for political prisoners. The "work" in Arbeit Macht Frei" was an ironic statement. There were actual work camps where, including at the death camps, where slave labor worked until they died. German v-2 were built by slave labor who died at extraordinary rates through German policies and health practices. What made Dauchau of consequence for the U.S was that after a prisoner was killed in its early days, a local prosector (with brass cojones) brought charges.
Hitler personally ordered an end to that and Dachau guards were free to do as they wished, under orders. Theresienstadt was a Potemkin village, its inmates required to give a show, hoping to somehow suvive the next trip, to Auschwitz. What kind of an idiot doesnt know that. Read Ian Kershaw or Richard Evans.
There is nothing that can be said for someone so foul and deranged to say that Adolph Eichman was "much maligned" because he was a Jewish savior. You've clearly never read the trial transcript.
This was supposed to a film review. I thnk it's important that some of the posters read something about the context of the Capra propaganda series.
Except for the storm trooper cretins, you won't have to change your views so much as understand what was happening amid the society of that time. American society has changed, to a considerable extent because of the unplanned effect of war.
You should then try to watch these and other propaganda films. A good American film, was the "Battle of Midway," by John Ford, who entered the Navy in 1934 and worked with Hollywood photographers during actual combat. Ford was made Captain during the war and promoted to Rear Admiral.
The Navy started the war without any black offiers and it promoted only a few to the officer ranks, primarily to dea with "negro issues" and deal with the black media. There were black women WAVES during the war. Almost all of them were forced out of the Navy. The Navy had only six black officers in 1948, AFTER it began to get pressure from Truman. Annapolis produced its first black Annapolis in 1949.
The career of Hyman Rickover is a study in anti-semitism and a tribute to his pluck that he excelled and survived. JImmy Carter helped that first Annapolis grad, the ran cross country for USNA by warning off the bullies, something that same grad recalled when the USNA named a building for him. Carter also worked for Rickover, having passed his screen.,
Subject: Zionism in Poswar era
The reason noone mentioned Jewish suffering is because it just didnt happen to the extent that Spielberg and The modern criminal state of Israel would have you believe. Noone has ever found any gas chamber. EVER. The Poles claimed that they used electrified floors to kill them. Immediately after the war my father was with OMG in Munich. He went to Dachau and saw it, but he said it was just a DP camp. at that time. During the war it was a work cam. Typhus epidemics raged thru these camps. True and many died as a result. Maybe they would have preferred to stay in Berlin or Dresden? Theresienstadt, had a pool, theater, a lot more than the German civilians had. Also Adolf Eichman who has been much maligned went to see the Zionist leaders several times, he spoke hebrew. He was able to procure many visas for these people. The Nazis and the future government of Israel were in bed together. Anything that caused troubel for the English was a plus. Sending Jews to Palestine was considered a good idea. When England refused to allow them in, the camps filled up. There also hasnt been any documentation found to this day that authorized any sort of Jewish extermeination policy. In view of the recent behavior of the Israeli government, it seems that there is a concerted effort to "justify" their atrocious behavior. There is no jusitifcation for murdering the Palestinians, stealing their land.
Subject: Sorry, but...
Robin1990, from what you poted I can tell that you were neither alive nor Jewish in the 1950's.
There was plenty of anti-semitism in the US then.
There were mill;ions of Jews in Europe before World War II, and look what was done to them there.
"I suppose this reflects the prevailing anti-semitism in America at that time".
I know that there were many racists in America back then, But seriously, Most Americans accepted jews. Basically everybody on 50's TV was jewish!
Subject: This is pure propaganda nothig more
"Everybody has equal rights..." Did you saw any black people?
Subject: Why it wasn't mentioned that the victims were Jews
Genocide of Jews was unique to Nazism, while this film is a more general attack on German militarism in all its forms: "You faced the 'Nazi' menace, your father's generation was threatened by the 'Huns', while in your grandfather's time there were the 'Prussians'. The Nazis, the Huns, the Prussians. Three different names for three generations of Germans, each trying to impose their will on others by force."
Before Nazism, the most antisemitic country in Europe was Russia.
Subject: oops, forgot one little thing...
How amazing that a film intending to detail every crime of the Germans can't bring itself to mention the persecution of the jews. The German crimes against the Italians get more mention(!).
I suppose this reflects the prevailing anti-semitism in America at that time. A lot of Americans watching this film probably wouldn't have thought persectuing jews was such a bad idea.
Still, it's an effective film and gives you a brief, Cliff Notes history of German militarism.